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October 02, 2006

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You really speak to me here, Dianne. We are a young faith, and a small one, but we need to create and grow our literature. We need thealogy, ethics, psychology, poetry; we need more serious books that come out of our worldview. I suspect that the people who make a contribution to serious Wiccan and Pagan literature aren't going to be the same people who write to get published. (Which is not to say that we don't have prolific authors who aren't also important thinkers; Starhawk is the most obvious example, I think.)

It's funny how we call ourselves a religion of clergy, yet I find myself asking, where are the clergy, really? Where are the serious and intelligent Wiccans? (It's not that we don't exist, obviously! But I have trouble finding others....) Whom do I go to within my own faith for spiritual counsel? Whom do I look up to as an example of living a Wiccan spiritual life? Who are my thealogians? Where is the spiritually mature face of Wicca?

I found this entry VERY inspiring to me.
Thanks! :-)

Have you read "Three Books Of Occult Philosophy" by H. C. Agrippa? It gets into some more advanced stuff..

Wonderful entry. I've been thinking about these things for a while, as well. The concept of Wicca's present state of immaturity was one subject I blogged about earlier this year ( Wicca: An Immature Religion? http://www.dragonsweave.com/nucleus/index.php?itemid=9) and Inanna's comment about the lack of thealogians mirrors my own feelings (Wiccan Heresies: Demanding More from Our Clergy http://www.dragonsweave.com/nucleus/index.php?itemid=5). I tend to like your writing more than my own, however... You *did* say you were writing Wicca: from Balls to Bones, didn't you?

I am new to Wicca/Paganism, and most books are as you say. I have a druid book that is over my head a bit, bit it lacks the things you describe. Where is the pagan "devotional"? Maybe it needs to be a collaborative effort.

Here is a title, "I am a witch! Now what?"

I've heard it said that there is a dearth of "advanced Wicca" books because the mystery that is the true essence of Wicca can't be described. It can only be lived, be felt. You learn the basics -- cast a circle, call the dieties, trance. Then you have to *do it,* and keep doing it. As a soloitary I struggle with this myself. You can't be Wiccan just by reading books. Wicca is an experiential religion.

I do agree, however, that there could be far more in the way of serious works of Pagan philosophy, ethics, etc. Frederic Lamond's RELIGION WITHOUT BELIEFS is back in print again after a long hiatus. One of the only books of its kind in its day, written by a true Wiccan elder. That is a place to start.

I'm actually currently working on an advanced Wicca book, which I worked out the outline for based partly by asking various experienced Wiccans I know what they wish they could find addressed in a book but haven't been able to so far. Some of the issues you mentioned here were among those they listed; others I may add to my list. So this has been very helpful in giving me a bit more understanding of what kind of topics might be helpful to address...

Here's a few. I consider them "advanced" but perhaps after 20 years of practice I'm still new?

Twelve White Swans
Pagan Book of Death and Dying
Evolutionary Witchcraft

The Fifth Sacred Thing is a novel, but it inspires what a city of witches would look like, every day, living with witches.

Hi Dianne - I had actually typed in "wiccan grief counseling" on google last night. With two sudden deaths in the family, and a dear friend who is likely dying of cancer, I'm asking these Wicca 201 questions as well. I have a strong coven to help me through, but we're all readers too, and I was searching for something to read for strength in this time, and something to give to my sick friend to bolster his spirit. Your entry came up through another link and spoke to where I am on this search! Keep writing, our community needs this voice! Thank you.

I am so glad to finally start finding articles such as this one on the Net. It's about time we looked at and discussed our faith as a faith, not just some new trend. I have found a few other sites like this and they are so refreshing! Wicca, the religion, being in service to the Gods has NOTHING to do with getting attention because you were a nerd in high school, being jobless while you have a huge collection of sci-fi memorabilia, weighing 300 pounds because you live on junk food while you play "pagan" X box games, or live for the next Rennaissance festival. If you're just a lazy hippy, then admit it, stop giving my religion and way of life such a bad image. What do African drums and white people with bad teeth and dredlocks have to do with practicing Witchcraft?????!!!!!!!!!!

Wonderful article, with which I wholeheartedly agree. Wicca has a lot of maturing yet to be done. Personally, I think our primary problem is, well, us. As much as it pains me to say so, Wicca in its current incarnation stands for absolutely nothing. The use of magick is an optional component, various satellite disciplines (as mentioned in the article) are not core components, and hell, even all of the traditional teachings are completely dispensable. Ceremonial magick? Well, that seems to have taken a back seat to new age politics. Balance? We are about as unbalanced as can be. Polarities? The Goddess no longer approves.

Yup. Wicca is in a helluva mess. And usually it is the "Wiccans" who are the problem who seem most okay with it. But I still have hope.

Gardener and Co. managed to lay down an excellent framework for a fantastic religious approach. I think when we get back to what I see as the stronger roots (as mentioned, polarity, gender equality based on naturally observed truth rather than political correctness, ritual, reckoning with the "dark" as well as the "light", etc.) of the faith, then we will find real growth, both personally and as a community. For the moment however, while we are experiencing overall growth in numbers, it is a revolving door, with many leaving as quickly as they came...once they realize how shallow we actually are.

Hard stuff? Yeah. Sorry about that. But sometimes the medicine just tastes bad. It's not the publishers that are the problem (which you did not say), it is us. We get what we ask for...and we like our religion "lite" and without obligations.

Here's a first step though: While I am slow to flame another poster, I propose we pitch the word "Thealogy" from our vocabulary altogether. It reveals gender-identified narcissism, and frankly, feminism has no place in something that is supposed to be about balance. Think about it.

Personally, what you describe as "Advanced Wicca" [eg. astrology and herbalism] is not what I consider to be "advanced Wicca". Indeed, many of the books I have seen on specialized advanced topics bear this out: they speak of the "running" of Circles and the work of Priestessing, as well as "Aspecting", for example. Moreover, the one aspect that needs to be written about extensively are traditionalist Pagan techniques for engaging in a trance and channelling the Gods. Many Pagans I know from very ecclectic communities have reported that they were lead to a state of trance, while chenneling a Deity, that they were aware that their mouths were moving, but they could not recall what was being said. This is what I consider to be "Advanced Wicca". Sadly, this has not been written about in the efforts of personal training, except in only the most cursory or peripheral manner. Albeit falls into this same "trap", Willow Polsons is one of the best books on the topic of "Advanced" studies ["The Veil's Edge"]. While Grey Cat's "Deepening Witchcraft" does not touch upon the technical particulars of "Aspecting", she does detail the finer points of "Priestessing", as well as the ability to shape-shift, and responcibility of "Wiccan" clergy when one *is* Aspecting, to aid them and keep them safe during the process, etc.

So, what I look for as "advanced"-- and hope to see-- are more practicle techniques. Unfortunately, no one seems interested in publishing such material. This is ironic, because a Anthropologist studying such a tribe or religion would have no qualms about publishing such techniques himself or herself. I have used this analogy many times, and Willow Polson (who studied Anthropology in college) even agreed with this logic.

That being said, I *do* applaud you for your call that Wiccan lit. is in desperate need of growth, esp. when confronting "the dark night of the soul"!

Take Care,
Wade MacMorrighan

I like what you have to say. However, one of the reasons so many Christians choose to follow a Wiccan path is because Christianity went from being spiritual to being political and dominating HOW to practice.
I'd love to see more books on maintaining the faith through all ups and downs.
However, I don't ever want to see a bible that everyone turns to to prove thier point when it serves them to intrepret it in a certain way.

If you'd ever write a book like that ("wicca: from balls to bones"), this post could make an outstanding intro.


Cheers.

I read the circle within not long ago and loved it. It was very disappointing when I found that you didn't have many more books to read. I loved your writing style and the book really spoke to me. It was actually completely by chance that I came across this blog post and I didn't even realize it was yours until after I read it! Interestingly enough I again enjoyed your writing style and decided I'd by a book by this wonderful writer, only to find it was you! ha

I hope that this post means you're working on a new book... I know for sure I'd buy it!

Hello, and cherished blessings.
This may sound odd to some people, but to you it sounds realistic.

I am not giving away my destination or place of birth, but this story begins way back in 1983.
Like most people who have twins will understand that being a twin, we have esp(extra sencory preception). However I lost in the living world my twin sister.
Now it took me years to get over this, and when I finally accepted this, I became whole.
I started to research my hystory and fount that every 5th generation of twins in my family had special abilities. The odd factor in this was, it was meant to go to a woman/girl. But it was me a male.
I understood that women/girls had more abilities than male counterparts, but then given my own abilities (being a twin) this increased more.
I started to sence more things, I started to see things,(I looked into being a medium).
This wasnt for me, then i started to develop further(As if my sister who was in the white light, gave me strength everyday).
I started to develop telekannesis(spelling).
I moved inomatic objects just with one thought. It took me 3yrs to do this, but well worth it.
Then....As if by pure magic.and i do believe in this, When I would dream, I saw things I would see days later, (premonition.) scared me but i was prepared to handle it.
Then came the scary bit.
I asked myself one day, while sitting in a comfortable spot, in a glen and surrounded only by greenery(the green god) and the ocean.
I said (aloud)these words).now this might not happen for anyone, but magic is alive and deep within everyone. its deeper in the ground and its also around every living thing, if they concentrait enough..

the words..they just came to me out of no where.

sitting here, orb of light, take me to the sound of life, i will stay until im near. grounded by the light thats fearce,

bounded by the ties thats near, call upon the golden lear. come to me, ive called you close, give it up and send me across.


Now Some parts may ryme, but others wont, but the fact is. i dont know where this came from, i just came to me one day, it scared me because I started to see lights, like the colour of the rainbow, and also the flowers next to me looked as though they started to blossom, when spring/summer was way gone.

anyway ive got used to this, and it is like the green god of the wilderness,mother nature and all cherished things in life is listening to me..

so if anyone is out there that knows how to handle true magic and just not practiseing it...let me know. cause im a little scared..

I may have stronger abilities that come along with time...

thank you and bless it be.


young wolf xx

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